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"because of governmental suppression" Oops. Time to pull out the Tin-Foil Hats.
If this is true, and knowing what I've seen at HQ it wouldn't surprise me in the least, then I'll make the prediction right now that it's a bunch of bunk. Anytime someone claims that information has been "suppressed by the scientific community" or "surpressed by the petrolium industry" or any of the variations of that it's time to take a really critical look at it. A great example would be the announcement in the '80s of a machine capable of carrying out sustained cold fusion reactions. The "inventors" of said device took it to the news papers and said that their work was being suppressed. Come to find out their work wasn't getting published cause it was a load of crap and no one else could get it to work even when they duplicated the process exactly.
That's my take when someone comes out with that statement and Bill doesn't have a great track record when it comes to believing that bunk and going off on a tangent about it.
Seabhag
Oh, this sounds totally believable since Mr. G has made wild claims like this before. I can remember two distinct times, I believe they were at Knoxville some years back, as a matter of fact. One time I remember him saying a young ATI student had invented a HIGHLY effective cleaning solution that would take out spots out of ANYTHING no matter what the stain or material. He went on to say that this person was already making "substantial" ammounts of money and the product would be on the market soon. I believe it was in reference to apprenticship and how young ATI youth didn't need to go to college since they could invent these wonderful amazing products and get "substantial" ammounts of money.
The other instance I remember was about another young enterprising ATI apprenticeship student that had developed a paint for airplanes or othher military vehicles that would hide it from Radar or make them partially invisible to radar. I believe this young man was working the military to implament it into the Stealth Fighter and Bomber aircraft. I'm not sure of the context but I think it might have also been apprenticeship.
I've always wondered when Mr G or his staff would say "studies have shown" or something to that effect, where they got these facts? Anybody can make them up, does that make them true?
I remember one year at a conference Mr. Gothard was talking about the amazing health benefits of "Crying out to God" and how several people, after exhausting all other options, were incredibly and totally cured. He used the example of Christiana Reed and how she had been cured after crying out to God of a long and painful illness. I was working in COMMIT that week and I remember leaving the auditorium early and running into Christiana Reed who gave me a hug and said that she had to leave early because she was so sick and in so much pain. After that experience I really saw how Mr. Gothard will use anything that makes a good "testimony," whether its true or not.
Sounds like Shock Treatments to me. And I, too, have seen Mr. G exaggerate so many "new" discoveries like this. He gets all excited being an exhorter before he has really concrete proof that it's all he's cracking it up to be. It's just too hard for him to keep it to himself until it's proven. If he could bring this one issue under control, I think he'd give his critics a lot less to hang him with.
Anyone ever heard the Adventures in Odyssey series? Reminds me a lot of what happened with the NovaBox. This whole thing sounds so dangerous.
ha ha! adventures in Odyssey, novabox, that's funny! ha - well - this ALSO reminds ME of Thurman Scrivner! first it's "thurman scrivner is the greatest invention since ice cream" (and can cure all disease), and THEN it's "Oops, didn't mean to offend you people, er, didn't realize it would offend you, i guess he wasn't Biblical after all!" Or something, i dunno.
i enjoyed the link to the satire article about Kenny Chesney, Uncle Kracker, etc. Well done.
So let me get this straight: I’m giving up one addiction for another? Cool, sign me up!
Yikes. That sounds like... I dunno, hypnotic or something. Like, the Commands of Christ would be subconciously inserted into your mind. That's sort of creepy. Actually, it's a lot creepy. And yes, it does sound quite similar the the Novabox.
Sounds like an MP3 player to me!
ha ha ha!!!! the 'Commands of Christ' getting into one's brain by osmosis! or by an electronic box of some sort! HILARIOUS
Yep, this story is true. This was going around at HQ late last Summer. Apparently some IBLP guy in Romania had it and wouldn't give it up or something.
sounds like blarney to me
This is just insane. And I'm having a terribly difficult time believing it. Is there anywhere else that can confirm?
How are they going to deal with the Law of Diminishing returns, true of any treatment that uses endorphin highs (that the body "gets used" to the level of endorphins, and has to up the dosage to maintain the same high)? How are they going to deal with the fact that those things-that-create-endorphins (can't remember the name for the life of me) BURN OUT when asked to produce too many -- and the person lives in perpetual depression/artificial stim ever after?
If the "Healthy High" is factually supported by the 'Tute, who's researching this obbledy-gobbledy anyway? My TWO freshman-level psych classes tell me this isn't possible. Let's get real here... or is this what naturally happens after years of saying that college is evil?...
--SF
Chuk - You know this for a fact? Care to elaborate? If you were involved in the conversation reported, by all means provide a more accurate quote.
A lie is an intentional falsity. I did not put words in BG's mouth, but merely relayed a conversation as recounted by one of the participants.
Chuk,
Seriously, you need to get a life outside of ATI. You honestly have no idea the kind of C-R-A-P they come up with. Yes, I have lived at Flint, and I know what life is like there.
Shall we speak of leadership there? How about blogs and IM? When I saw your Xanga blog (xanga.com/ChukP) I was shocked at some of the Verity people you subscribed to. Last year's Verity class would have been stoned for posting such un-ATI-approved pictures, and music on their blogs.
And what's this with IM? The students are too smart and know how to go around the blocked ports? So, let's give it back to them, even though it shouldn't have been taken away in the first place.
Bah-humbag. People get a life outside of IBLP. You will never regret it. You'll only regret not getting out.
Chuk why don't you answer questions direction at you, instead of acting like you know things that you don't?
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Chuck,
Thanks for making things more interesting! I think it is hilarious that you say x-er lied, when in fact you are the one lying. You lie when you say you know for a fact that Mr. Gothard didn't say this or that. The fact is that he did say everything X-er reported that he did- and a lot more too! I was there, and I heard it! If you don't believe me, ask Mr. G about Healthy High and see what you find out!
I relayed this story because I thought it was funny, not because I dislike Mr. Gothard. In fact, I like him a lot. I anonomously enjoy this site because I think X-er is hilarious, not because I necessarily agree with him on everything.
P.S. After removing your foot from your mouth, you should appologize to X-er, at least if you value honesty.
Haha, this has become hilarious. Good comments everyone. Sounds like Mr. Pierpont cant take the heat. It also sounds like he's the compulsive liar (in more than just against X-er). Yeah, I havent met one person who left IBLP that regrets doing so.
-Ben Chapman
Re: Thurman Scrivner
My wife and I had the pleasure to meet and spend several hours with Mr. Scrivner. He is unbelievable!
I was in Bill's office when he talked with a Dr. Walker in Nashville about the possibility of setting up drug treatment centers using this black box. Dr. Walker was excited about the prospect of "doubling the institute's cash flow in a year" by offering the detox to wealthy white collar drug addicts. Bill, unfazed by having Dr. Walker's nose deep in his a#$ was also thrilled at this proposition. Those of us (about 8 people) who witnessed this were stunned...
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